Benghazi Question: What Caliber Ammo?

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As the Congressional hearings on the fiasco in Benghazi gear back up, and as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton prepares to testify all manner of questions are floating around about who knew what and when.The seemingly poignant question that everyone wants to ask is, “Was the initial report that the attack was a spontaneous demonstration caused by outrage over an “offensive YouTube video” that was offensive to Allah.

This question attempts to drive to the root of the motivation behind putting out a seemingly implausible explanation in the face of so much evidence to the contrary. But frankly, this question falls short of getting to the crux of the issue. The answer here is, “Yes, of course they tried to cover up their actions surrounding Benghazi.”

But the assumption behind that question is that they did so to cover up a systematic failure to provide security for both an ambassador and a CIA facility. That falls short of answering the key question, which has critical national security and international security questions.

The other broad question that needs to be answered is, “Was this just a terrorist attack designed to humiliate the United States on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center, or was there another motive behind it?”

Strong evidence exists, and has been reported here at Conservative Reports Online, that the tensions in Benghazi were fueled by the purpose of Special Mission Benghazi. It was not an embassy. It was not a consulate. It was the CIA facility that had been used to arm and coordinate the rebel forces who were attempting to overthrow Moammar Qadaffi.

Conservative Report also previously reported that the arming of the rebels was facilitated through the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, and that a significant part of the arms sales were brokered by a US arms dealer named Marc Turi who has an office outside Phoenix.

Initially, he was brokering the sale of Russian Kalashnikov rifles and French arms to the Libyan rebels. Later, after being refuse permission to sell US made arms directly to the Libyans, he was granted a permit to sell those arms to the Qataris who would then forward them to the Libyans.

AK47 and M4Had Marc Turi been given the permit to arm the Libyan rebels directly, the Special Forces personnel who were on TDY (temporary duty) to CIA and were working at the mission in Benghazi would have ensured they went to the proper hands in Libya.

Because the Obama administration chose to “go hands off”, a less stringent Qatar supplied these weapons to both the militias friendly to the United States, and to those allied with Al Qaeda.

What occurred was the arming of our most staunch adversaries on the planet by an inept Obama administration. And what occurred subsequently was that the TDY SF operators were sending back questions to Foggy Bottom and MacDill as to why Al Qaeda rebels were armed with US weapons like the M-4 rifle, and after the revolution was successful, the purpose of Special Mission Benghazi shifted from arming and organizing the rebel groups to disarming the Al Qaeda groups we had been armed. Anger over the disarming of these groups formed the motivation behind the attack.

Therefore, the question that is simply asked and objectively answered, without placing any of the SF or CIA operatives at mortal risk is a simple one. You see, the Kalashnikov rifle chambers a 7.62 mm round. The US M-4 rifle chambers a 5.56 mm round. What is widely reported and accepted is that at least two of the TDY Green Berets who were assigned by the CIA as ARSO’s (assistant regional safety officers) were badly wounded and were treated for multiple gunshot wounds after they rescued over 20 civilian CIA workers from the compound.

The single question that needs to be asked is: “Were the rounds taken out of the wounded ARSO’s 7.62 mm or 5.56 mm?” And when the answer comes back “5.56 mm”, it opens the door to the proof that the cover up was meant to hide the fact that the Obama administration had been caught once again arming offshore groups that did not have the interests of our country at heart. It would open the door to proof that Benghazi was “Fast and Furious on Steroids.

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41 thoughts on “Benghazi Question: What Caliber Ammo?”

  1. Eric says:

    “Were the rounds taken out of the wounded ARSO’s 7.62 mm or 5.56 mm?”

    This has at least two assumptions in it — that Kalashnikovs are chambered only in 7.62×39, and that the only way for terrorist to get 5.56×45 NATO chambered weapons was thru a recent Obama-sponsored arms deal. Neither is assumption is true — the Kalashnikovs are also widely produced in 5.45×39 mm (similar in bullet size to the 5.56 NATO round), and terrorists and drug cartels have been getting ahold of M-16 variants for years via corrupt allies, defections, capture, etc. Besides, small rifle rounds tend to penetrate bodies, and when they don't, often fragment in the body, so figuring out what the bullet was would be difficult. It might be determined by determining the types and origins of the metal in the fragments, if any were recovered.

    I think the Obama administration is corrupt and inept, but I don't think this route is going to prove anything.

    1. PS_Read says:

      Thank you for commenting Eric! The exact round would be able to distinguish the ammunition enough ascertain whether it was one widely distributed by the Russians, or one distributed on a limited basis by a corrupt ally, possibly in the area. According to reports, the injured were immediately taken to Ramstein and I'm sure they kept the ammo, even if fragmented. And there should be more than enough rounds embedded in the transportation / scene — maybe enough to accomplish forensic testing / trace.

      We're not giving up on this issue and have a lot more to report — please continue to comment!
      Pat

  2. @CWJonesIII says:

    Eric,__Your facts are accurate, however, the intel shows that those were the two weapons in the configuration brokered by Marc Turi, through Qatar. Is this enough to convict in a court of law? Absolutely not. Is it enough to point Congreesional investigators to look more closely? Absolutely.__No single question frames the Administration's motivatioin for covering up better than this one.

    1. Eric says:

      If there is evidence that the admin ran weapons thru Qatar or anyone else, that is what should prompt investigators to look more closely. The Mideast already has so many AKs, ARs, and various other weapons that shoot both US and ComBloc ammo in various calibers and from various countries that finding any was used at Benghazi won't tell us anything about where they came from.

  3. Denise says:

    Marc was also running Russian weapons and he has an office in Las Vegas. He is a licensed govt vendor with GSA.

  4. @CWJonesIII says:

    Denise,__Marc Turi has offices here and in Dubai. He was "brokering" Russian and French arms initially through Qatar. This was well documented publically. He applied, after conferring with then Special Envoy to Libya Chris Stevens, and they agreed he would apply for the necessary permits to sell US arms directly to the Libyan rebels. This communication is documented in email. In fact, Turi was denied the permit to sell to the Libyans, and instead, austensibly with administration approval (his dealings directly with Stevens as evidence), he applied for a permit to sell US arms to Qatar, that were subsequently shipped, not by Turi, but by Qatar, to Libyan in support of the insurgency. After US arms were found to have falen into the hands of Al Qaeda groups in Libya, his home and office were raided in Phoenix by Dept of Homeland Security agents. He was charged with noting, becuase all of his activity was done legaly and with permits where applicable.__Thank you for your interest in this. Keep digging!

  5. LTC GPM says:

    I suggest that the US govt produced the "video" at google studios, london put it out, and staged the protests in egypt to dilute attention away from Benghazi, while they sever one of their loose ends. the fellas disobeyed orders to stand down, made it awkward, but "no plan B" Obama went ahead, while his head is filled with pixie dust from getting away with the executive privilege on fast and furious, arizona branch. the manpads are in Sudan and Congo DR, and so is Susan Rice. google left behind on Koh Tang Island

  6. seadragonconquerer says:

    Calibre irrelevant. Stevens was liquidated by Obama because he was the Man Who Knew Too Much about ALL of Obama's dirty dealings in liquidating the Khaddafi Regime. That regime had to go, in order to get Libya back on the Petrodollar…w/o which our dollar-drowned, debt-Ponziconomy will shortly collapse. On the "positive"side, I have to say that Obama did a far neater job of getting Libya back on the dollar than Bush did with Iraq: 4 dead Americans vs. 4,000+ dead Americans. Incidentally, Obama is now supporting the Sunni "terrorists" in the Syrian Civil War precisely in order to un-do the damage that Genghis Bush did when he over-threw Sadaam: thus completing the Shiite Crescent (Tehran-Baghdad-Damascus-S. Lebanon) whose rejuvination of Hezbollah caused Israel such embarrassment in the '06 incursion. Muslim casualties in any of this, of course, do not count.

  7. Rollory says:

    So where exactly is it reported that the rounds in the US personnel were 5.56? I see assertions here, not evidence.

    1. indyjonesouthere says:

      What caliber brass was on the ground? What weopons were left behind by the dead terrorists?

  8. cmblake6 says:

    All good questions in desperate need of answers. When we get these answers, appropriate prosecutions need to be made.

  9. -=V=- says:

    I was under the impression they were killed by mortar attack….isn't that what the time lines of the attack indicate? Not trying to exonerate anybody…

  10. Chip Jones says:

    .=V=. , the two SEALS were killed in a mortar barrage from fixed mortar placements that alredy had been lased, and were easily neutralized, yes. However, there were 3 "ARSO's" (assistant regional security officers) stationed at the compound, and two more came with Ambassador Stevens. Those 5 men were responsible for evacuating the CIA personnel from the Compound to the CIA Annex, and subsequently out of Benghazi completely. Those men took serious casualties. It is my understanding that at least one of them is still recovering from his wounds at Walter Reed.

  11. John says:

    There are several pictures online of the terrorist involved in the Benghazi attacks holding weapons. Would the pictures inform the public about what caliber or type rifle used?

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